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Charlottesville

June 25, 2022

In a concurring opinion, Thomas agreed that this ruling itself does not apply to other cases, as “the court’s abortion cases are unique” and justices only considered this one set of circumstances, rather than rights granted through “substantive due process” as a whole. But Thomas said the court “should consider” these other precedents in future cases, saying that Obergefell, Griswold and Lawrence v. Texas—which affirmed the right to sexual intimacy between same-sex couples—were also “erroneous” and the court has “a duty to ‘correct the error’ established in those precedents.” Thomas argued that using the due process clause to uphold these rights is a “legal fiction” that’s “particularly dangerous,” and believes the court should issue a ruling saying the court cannot grant civil rights using that legal argument. In their dissent, liberal Justices Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor cast doubt on Alito’s assurance that the ruling only applies to abortion, writing “it is impossible to understand” how the “opinion today does not threaten … any number of other constitutional rights.”

Crucial Quote

“In future cases, we should ‘follow the text of the Constitution, which sets forth certain substantive rights that cannot be taken away, and adds, beyond that, a right to due process when life, liberty, or property is to be taken away,’” Thomas wrote in his concurrence. “Substantive due process conflicts with that textual command and has harmed our country in many ways. Accordingly, we should eliminate it from our jurisprudence at the earliest opportunity.”

Dissenter’s Reponse

“We cannot understand how anyone can be confident that today’s opinion will be the last of its kind,” the liberal justices wrote in their dissent, adding that even if “the majority is sincere in saying, for whatever reason, that it will go so far and no further … the future significance of today’s opinion will be decided in the future.”



Imagine the fear that my daughter lives under. She now knows that at least one Justice thinks there is no Constitutional right for her marriage. Imagine this issue playing out where some states allow same-sex marriages while others do not. That will mean that in our UNITED States, there are some states where she will not be welcome.


I get it — the Constitution is a special document. But we have crossed a threshold where our country will very likely never be able to agree to amend it. We all know Jefferson and others thought the Constitution would be updated and modified frequently.


The same sex issue will be different than the abortion issue where women will now cross state lines to get abortions. It will put up “you are not welcome” signs in many red states. And worse, can you envision couples being imprisoned for violating Lawrence v Texas?


Perhaps Thomas is an outlier. But he’s certainly put out a welcome sign to bring forth cases that challenge those rulings.






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dsmithuva75
Jul 06, 2022

And is that not exactly what The Left has been doing? Growing acceptance of homosexuality is not enough -- now we have to change the one universal definition of marriage across all cultures and all centuries. Was that enough? No -- now we add an entire fruit salad of letters to LGB to cover all sorts of weird relaionships. What does "transexual" mean if not transitioning from one generally accepted gender role to another . . . but then they say that generally accepted gender roles are simply "made up"? Do you realize how immensely crazy AND destructive it is to say that doctors "arbitrarily" assign gender at the birth of a baby? And if that is not enou…


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dsmithuva75
Jul 01, 2022

I will be seeing my kids tomorrow, and they no doubt will express some concern, but my job as a parent (I think) is to consider the valifity of their fears and offer some dispassionate thoughts. I do not seek to be my kids' friend -- Andrew did not speak to me for eight months simply because I voted for Trump in 2016, and didn't speak again to me for six months when I did not agree with his assessment of the January 6th events. My job is not to seek his approval, it is to give him the best advice I can.

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dsmithuva75
Jul 06, 2022
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I don't so much want to look at things differently as I want to seek wisdom. If you think a 14 years old or 22yo is wiser than someone in his/her 50s or 60s, then we have different criteria for what constitutes wisdom.

One of our biggest mistakes was embracing the idiocy of "Never trust someone over 30". We are reaping today the crop grown with that fertilizer....

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dsmithuva75
Jun 29, 2022

Do you not think that it is being a tad bit hyperbolic to suggest that some States will put up "You Are Not Welcome" signs at their border regarding your daughter? And please remember -- two of my three children are gay, and we get along fine.....


Hyperboly, used by either side, does no good and only harm.

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Lucian@going2paris.net
Lucian@going2paris.net
Jun 29, 2022
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Metaphor. You don't have to put a sign up to know that the culture is not welcoming. Hyperbolic? I don't mean to sound extreme; but I do think it is a real possibility that some states become "no fly zones" for LGTBQ+ folks. For example, if (when?) a state passes a law banning gay marriage (to start the process of getting the case in front of the Supreme Court), I would think LGTBQ+ folks would likely not want to live in that state.


I think the folks who have advocated pro life will turn their attention to other issues they find wrong.


Are your kids not concerned?

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